Follow

I use PopOS on my laptop but have had a lot of problems of various kinds and am not completely satisfied so now I will get another distribution. Do you have any suggestions for distros that you are happy with? 😊

@annasara I'm using the #btw distribution right now, but I highly recommend @EndeavourOS. It gives you Arch with a GUI installer, sane defaults (IMHO) and a small repo with several useful utilities, like an AUR helper

People hate on Ubuntu (maybe they're right, I dont have an informed enough opinion) but it has always just worked when I used it.
Yeah, I don't get the Ubuntu hate. I have 2 Ubuntu boxes including one that runs this instance. As you say, it just works. Guessing these are purists who don't like stuff that Canonical did. But these are the same people who complain that Linux adoption is low.

@annasara I use and enjoy Manjaro and use i3 Gaps on my personal laptop. I don't use it allday every day though because my work laptop is Windows (no choice, although I spend a lot of time (as much as I can) using WSL).

@annasara what kind of problems did you encounter in Pop? I've been on Pop for years and can't imagine switching to anything else on my main productivity rigs.

@chanon The boot partition is too small, and old kernels are not removed automatically and have to be done manually which is annoying. And the latest update failed had and apt broke. I have not had these problems with previous distros.

@annasara ah, did you dual boot on a previously partitioned disk? The pop installer makes like a half gig ESP, but Windows and lots of other OSes are like 250mb. Pop munches that up in a jiffy since it uses systemd-boot.

Apt can definitely be a hassle too, but I've probably grown accustomed to quarreling with it.

Anyway, I've heard a lot of hype about Nix lately. They just released a new installer, so that might be pretty fun to check out.

@chanon Did not do dual boot :) Thanks for your input :)

@BigSkyRider I had Linux Mint year's ago and it was good, maybe I should use it again 😊

@annasara

I am running Trisquel as my daily driver and love it but a FLOSS distro may not work for your needs. I have also used and enjoyed Manjaro; Garuda; Solus and Linux Mint.

@annasara Well, I distro hopped for many years and ended up with Pop OS. But if Pop OS is giving you trouble, maybe try Ubuntu. Or there is Zorin OS which is also very windows like

@annasara EndeavourOS is a great Arch-based distro and what I currently run on my gaming PC. However, if you need something a bit on the user friendly side, Manjaro might be a better choice.

@annasara What kinds of problems are you having with pop OS? Is it drivers for the hardware or is it some other kind of issue?

@ordabchao The boot partition is too small, and old kernels are not removed automatically and have to be done manually which is annoying. And the latest update failed had and apt broke. I have not had these problems with previous distros.

@annasara @ordabchao Yes, that's also something I found very annoying with Ubuntu.
If you're already familiar and comfortable with Linux then openSUSE is great. YaST make many admin tasks much easier and the tight integration of btrfs+snapper make system rollback very easy if something ever breaks.
Leap for stability, Tumbleweed for rolling release.

If you don't want to jump the deb-ship, Linux Mint is IMHO a pretty useable Ubuntu-Derivative (also no snaps!) 👍😀

@annasara @ordabchao might be wrong but "sudo apt --purge autoremove" should actually remove old kernels?! Though it might remove all but the currently running. IIRC I had a script which kept x number of kernel back in my Ubuntu days. On the other hand, what do I know, I'm on #Fedora for years now.

@stoerdebegga

I have the same problem with my PopOS installation, I have to manually specify to remove them.

Infact, all of my installations suffer from the same problem.
Annoying.

@annasara @ordabchao

@selea @annasara @ordabchao might be wrong but isn't this actually an Ubuntu issue, even if not Debian!?

Nothing wrong with small(er) boot partitions but they should really cleanup. In Fedora its limited to three, but can be configured in dnf.conf

@stoerdebegga @selea @annasara I have a recommendation for everyone. You don't have to follow this of course. But I am acquaintances with a guy named Jay. He has a YouTube channel called LearnLinuxTV. He has taught me a lot of stuff. He routinely gives full on manual installation tutorials of almost any flavor. In these tutorials he cover manually creating partitions -frequently.

@ordabchao

Distros should not require such maintenance, thats why I installed popos on mine and my kids machines.
I just want a "hands-off" distro that I can install on relatives machines and for my kids.

@stoerdebegga
It is purely a popos-issue.

@annasara

@selea @stoerdebegga @annasara i might be missing something --cause i'm lazy but i agree-- i've been using PopOs for the last year. I've not had these type of problems

@selea @ordabchao @annasara just recalled I had the very same issue on Ubuntu. Guess 16.04 or so, 16.10 upgrade crashed my disk encryption and I didn't have a backup of the LUKS headers so I switched to Fedora as I had to reinstall anyway.

@stoerdebegga

I have heard good things about fedora - maybe I'll move over some day.
But after 18 years with some Debian-derivative, I am afraid xD

@selea @ordabchao @stoerdebegga @annasara it's a long standing *ubuntu* issue that popOS seemingly inherited due to it being an ubuntu derivative. Ubuntu has been asked to fix this for *many* years (me included), but they have said they don't want to decide which kernels to remove for people, which is absurd to me because, by and large, people who choose ubuntu, or a derivative, just want the OS to boot and to not break everything by doing something so stupid as continually installing kernels in a small partition, and are not interested in manual kernel management. Even if you wanted to support user choice in this way, i'm guessing you could simply allow people to manually lock a kernel and then skip any locked kernel on kernel cleanup. I swear i heard they were finally addressing this, but i can't find the news anywhere.

@ITwrx

I hope that they are finally addressing this issue, so I can start recommending popos to new users again.

@ordabchao @annasara @stoerdebegga

@selea @annasara @ordabchao @stoerdebegga well, i say this, but i never verified whether ubuntu inherited this problem from debian. So, "booooo" to me... :) I just know it's been a problem for ubuntu users for a long time.

@annasara As a GNOME lover I can recommend Fedora Workstation because of pure, synergistic experience. It isn’t perfect, but personally I’ve came across least problematic situations using this distribution out of Ubuntu and PopOS

@annasara Fedora has been very good for me for the past few years.

I was using :solus: Solus Budgie edition on our old laptop because I had issues while using :popos: Pop_OS! on it. Later I switched to a newer laptop where I use Pop and my fathrr took that laptop. He very very very occasionally asks for help.

Now I think about it, he might think that it is just a bit nicer looking Windows computer.
@annasara

@murtezayesil Maybe my computer is just getting old.

I like the look of PopOS. And when you say it you could say that it looks like a bit nicer looking Windows computer. Good that your father doesn't have any problems with popOS 😊

How dare you call it old, it is a Toshiba Tecra from 2011. Don't you know Japanese have longer lifespan than other nations 😜

It was a high end laptop for its time (2cores 4threads @ 2.8GHz + 8GB RAM). We only replaced its HDD with a 240GB SATA3 SSD.
Problems I had with PopOS, Ubuntu, Elementary, Manjaro, Linux Mint & Debian on that laptop was that they would freeze and turn CPU into a room heater. Everything would freeze, even audio played at the time would stay on loop.
@annasara

@murtezayesil haha, okey, let's call it mature😜

Okey, my problem is that the boot partition is too small, and old kernels are not removed automatically and have to be done manually which is annoying. And the latest update failed and apt broke.

Sounds like apt botched at some point. I recommend installing LTS build on a clean drive if you can. It sounds like something was going weird from the beginning.
After the installation apply updates and restart.
It could also be cosmic radiation flipping the a critical bit.
@annasara

@annasara @murtezayesil #ubuntu, and evidently derivatives, have had this flaw for many years (letting old kernels pile up until they fill *any size* boot partition), but i thought i heard ubuntu finally addressed this issue in a recent version? Maybe you aren't on the latest release? I use #fedora with #xfce on the desktop with dnf-automatic (no gnome-software) and it has been absolutely trouble-free for, IDK, a year or two?
I’ve been using Manjaro Plasma lately. It’s got a lot of quality of life features built in that make it easy for someone who isn’t a Linux expert to use.

@annasara I'm happy with arch, but it obviously requires a lot of tinkering to keep it alive. It depends a lot on what you use your laptop for, how much time you want to spend on maintenance, and of course personal preference. I have used a lot of stuff and the most satisfied I've been is with arch.

@annasara i think openSuse is suitable for you, in case that is not, maybe try Manjaro

@annasara Well Fedora obviously since I'm a RHEL fanboy these last 8 years.

But in the end only you can say what works best for you.

@annasara try #fedora workstation. I have been using it for years and I think it has sane defaults and a great community.
If you require specific Ubuntu/Debian or Arch packages you could use #distrobox (which you can of course use on most other distros).

If you want to experience (and learn) a new approach to Linux distros whilst using #flatpaks, #containers and #toolbx, then try Fedora #Silverblue (which I use). Silverblue is an image base "immutable" OS with easy rollbacks and upgrades.

@annasara
I use Linux Mint on my laptop and I am very happy with it.

@annasara I've had issues on pop, but also on many others so I'm using Kinoite (the KDE version of Silverblue) and it's been pretty good so far and purports to be harder to break, which is a big plus.

@annasara I’ve used Ubuntu, Manjaro, Arch and pop_os but #fedora seems to be the one that has run the most smoothly. I’ve no reason to distro hop again.

@annasara the new Fedora is great for general purpose. They also have Fedora Design suite distro for creative folks.

@annasara Jag kör Fedora på min gamla PC-laptop. Gillar Fedora som dist överlag även om den senaste är lite väl buggig fortfarande.

@annasara keep PopOS for now. Decide if you are a tweaker.
I am a tweaker, I find issues with all OS and distros.
That being said, I use Fedora 36 (flavor: Workstation == Gnome)

Sign in to participate in the conversation
Mastodon.se

Mastodon-instance for Swedish. Requires a written motivation in a language listed in the FAQ for account approval.